what does atf stand for in america
They are so vague, in fact, that it provides the opposite of any sort of guidance and assures nothing but fear, uncertainty, and doubt among the firearm industry and consumers and effectively gives ATF carte blanche to enforce “violations” however it chooses. JWR’s Comment: This incident smacks of political grandstanding by the ATF’s senior administrators. Keep Your Powder Dry. In “Court” is the purpose of the Long game attack on Rights. That leaves the Big Court. Nope, shouldn’t have to prove anything. What I wonder is; how many of those AR, plastic pistol, video commandos shot a deer in the head at 100 yards this afternoon. Montana, muzzle brakes? 300, name those carve outs. Afterwards the AG and ATF demanded people turn in their stocks or else. Click HERE to go directly to the public comment page, and for more information and ideas for comment topics, click below: It’s Time: Make Yourself Heard RE ATF’s Latest Attack on Pistol Braces. The 2014 Bundy standoff was an armed confrontation between supporters of cattle rancher Cliven Bundy and law enforcement following a 21-year legal dispute in which the United States Bureau of Land Management (BLM) obtained court orders directing Bundy to pay over $1 million in withheld grazing fees for Bundy's use of federally owned land adjacent to Bundy's ranch in southeastern Nevada. Mark Twain said. But then again, maybe you have a cunt. Like real firearms. (And I paraphrase) “When I was seventeen I was convinced my father was the most ignorant man on earth. OMG! Per ATF’s own admission in the bold text in the quote above and in the quote below, it fully understands that a pistol stabilizing brace assists in the safe, controllable use of a pistol precisely like the ones it claims are somehow acceptable to use without a brace but unacceptable to use with one: In recent years, some manufacturers have produced and sold devices designed to be attached to large and/or heavy pistols which are marketed to help a shooter “stabilize” his or her arm to support single-handed fire (“braces”). These items extend the distance between the trigger and the part of the weapon that contacts the shooter, whether it is a stock or a stabilizing brace. It’s perfectly legal to fire from the hip or with one’s eyes closed or whatever-the-heck ever. We were reminded today of the precarious and often unpredictable nature of firearms enforcement. As for me, well, I think I am already on THE list. During war, soldiers are issued the same style rifle, regardless of their size. The method of attachment of the stabilizing brace, to include modified stock attachments, extended receiver extensions, and the use of spacers. I took specific steps to create my own non-registered AR pistol that’s legal in CA (80% receiver before the 2018 cutoff date, build kit, bolt action mode via KaliKey BCG, etc.). This is a pistol classification question unrelated to braces. Reader Dave C. mentioned this news, from Nevada: Dayton-based gun manufacturer raided by ATF for selling ‘ghost guns’. The type and caliber of the firearm to which the stabilizing brace or similar item is installed. . Should it comes to pass, though, here are some arguments refuting each and every one of ATF’s proposed determining factors for brace-equipped firearm classification. Bracing against one’s cheek was even a suggested remedy back when ATF declared the shouldering of pistol stabilizing braces to be illegal…and then reversed itself. Abolition of the agency is a great step but it ain’t happening. On April 19, 1993, after a 51-day siege, the ATF and the FBI attempted to force David Koresh and the other remaining Branch Davidians out of their Waco, Texas compound. Yes, they called me at 7:00 PM central on a Saturday night. Just kidding on both of these. Well, I’m a bet peckish, so I’m going to finish off my seaweed salad and sushi from last night. Then you too can direct traffic in the rain after a crash, wrestle with a crack dealer on the hot pavement in the projects in August, go to court on your day off, try to explain to your children why you can’t be home on Christmas/ their birthday/etc. This is a perfect example of a vague and entirely undefined rule. At least, submitting a comment can truly matter. It’s clear that none of you blabbermouths ever pose a real threat. The ORI number is a nine-character identifier assigned to an agency. One comment (supposedly like one vote) can make a difference. They took all the arguments made by those that didn’t want them banned and retorted to every point in a manner to prevent legal challenge. As for wishing the topic would turn toward actual guns instead of accessories of dubious utility that you don’t own, we’re mostly in the same boat there, but I figure it’s okay if this dominates the airwaves for a while. So if I put a pistol brace or a bump stock on my AR, would it suddenly become not a real gun? Today, we’re faced with confusing, illogical, and subjective restrictions on the use of pistol stabilizing braces. You will get your just reward soon enough…… soon enough. ATF will consider the comments it receives before finalizing this guidance. None of the LEOs within my circle of friends were even aware that a KaliKey makes my AR pistol legal, so there’s no way I can expect ATF/CADOJ to resist coming to my door to arrest me. And in the two years Obama had Congress, gun control just wasn’t a hot topic. An ATF Agent works closely with local, state and other federal law enforcement agencies. In other words, the ATF claims it does not and has not ruled that any make or model of pistol brace exempts all firearms from NFA classification. A pistol is still a pistol if it has a handguard, which I think we understand is thusly yclept due to, you know, the expectation that it’s gripped by one’s hand in order to operate a pistol two-handed. All quotes below unless otherwise cited are directly from ATF’s draft “Objective Factors for Classifying Weapons with Stabilizing Braces” document. The pro-gun group Gun Owners of America pointed out in a press release that, contrary to the new guidance, the ATF has issued approval letters for pistol braces in the past. Whether intended for youth shooters, Sammy the Dwarf, or PDW / CQB type use, the suggestion that mounting a brace via a modified stock attachment necessarily negates its functionality as a brace is entirely farcical. Just don’t post that you have anything that might be of interest to them, only post your thoughts on the matter. It’s still a legal firearm. Why don’t you ask Jeremy S if the chief and I are the same person, he’s already doxed me by revealing my IP location as if I give a shit about that. Nor does it have to be shouldered to do so. There are plenty of LEO carve outs in law throughout the country. By using a rack, one can ignite a series of different fireworks to create a scene.These sometimes allow for the finales seen at professional fireworks displays to be created using consumer fireworks. The ATF’s Polymer80 Search and Seizure. I tried to comment on the pistol braces a week ago. The last time Trump’s ATF did this they used the public comments to build a legal case to ban bump fire stocks. Ronnie, you seem to enjoy ignoring the facts of the situation. Use the fear of prosecution and crippling legal fees to deter the Right. Trump even doubled down on Obama’s import restrictions. Pistols are capable of great accuracy, and using an optic to take advantage of that is entirely reasonable. I can respect the badge, but not the person. No, no I didn’t think so. A bolt action pistol no less. A correction on the Tailhook Mod 2: It is not interchangeable with stock components, other than the endplate and castle nut. ATF has classified all sorts of components and accessories on their own (as it must), such as trigger cranks, binary triggers, lightning links, bump stocks, muzzle devices, forward grips, the Auto Glove, naughty rubber bands, naughty shoe strings, naughty coat hangers, solvent traps, 80% receiver kits, thread adapters, and so much more. None of this matters or makes any sense. Cowboys ain’t easy to love, And they’re harder to hold, Trump is not concerned about the ATF at all right now his main focus is on a rigged election, while they stomp on our 2a rights he’s trying to figure out where things went wrong we the American people demand that he stops this shit, after all he did take the Oath to uphold and protect the Constitution of the United States and right now it’s damn sure not being protected and I for one have let my State Rep know that our 2A rights is being erased from the constitution I urge everyone that is sick and tired of hearing about these anti gun politician’s everyday screaming about gun control to contact your State Rep let them know how you feel all of us can’t make it to Washington on a daily basis but they can be our voice at least it’s a start if we don’t fight back they will take every damn thing we own and don’t say it won’t do any good that’s thinking negative we got to fight back any way we can if we don’t want our rights and freedom taken away it’s not just for us but or kids and grandkids, I just be damned if I will set and let them trample on my rights and freedom without doing anything. I never disputed the characterization. The Republican Party has embraced the GOP acronym after doing battle with the Democrats for decades over its use. But even in 1934, exempting […] 703-321-8585. Yes, yes, we must be safe and we are liable for any damages caused by errant shots, but ATF’s suggestion that there is a singular “aim point” or style of shooting is false. Explain…. (Other than talking about .45 acp a lot, that is.) Just look at the pistols above. under the republicans ,possible. When that failed, it was the long game to get ride of braces. If so I have a nice 10 point hanging on the wall I killed just outside of Columbia. This is why the agency approved cheek rests such as the Thordsen unit. The ATF headquarters are in Washington, D.C. Aspect one: nowhere in the definition of “pistol” is any mention of weight or length. article, and immediately one of the top five best and most important/relevant for me from TTAG for 2020. Pistol. This isn’t going to go very well. It seems that the powers that be want to make each weapon person specific, that way you turn them in a death….. Whoever made the rip doggo captions deserves a raise. Incorporation of sights or scopes that possess eye relief incompatible with one-handed firing may indicate that the weapon is not a “pistol” because they are designed to be used from a shoulder-fire position and are incompatible for the single-handed shooting that arm braces are designed and intended. I’ve happily purged my head of as much of their BS as possible, but ISTR the issue had something to do with the state having a different definition of “manufacture” (basically all making) from ATF (intent to distribute). . The presence of a secondary grip may indicate that the weapon is not a “pistol” because it is not designed to be held and fired by one hand. yet. Does the atf want to ban braces? Save my name, email, and website in this browser for the next time I comment. The weight and length of the firearm used with the stabilizing brace. Collecting for the sake of collecting or hanging on one’s wall is entirely legal. Convention of States is a Constitution Referendum… The BATFE is a Congressional “brainchild” bureaucracy NOT created by the Constitution… And what they do is called regulation, anything they want to give the weight of law to must be approved by heir masters (Congress) who is the REAL villain in this picture…. CA escapee here, so I’m sure you’re more up-to-date on the laws than I am. Ruby Ridge was the location of a violent 11-day standoff in remote Boundary County, Idaho, beginning on August 21, 1992. that’s all geometry dash, Your email address will not be published. In recent days, the ATF has leveled its sights against Polymer80®s Buy Build Shoot™ kits. And below: Pistols have shipped from the factory with accessories such as those described by ATF’s “peripheral accessories” guideline for decades without a peep from ATF. Don’t be surprised when the Democrats do the same as the Republicans but make even crazier arguments, such as saying magazines are weapons of mass destruction (a Bush era term). The ATF’s raid, codenamed “Showtime,” was moved up one day in response to a local newspaper’s article on the Davidians. Except in Florida if you have a valid hunting license you can walk out the door with a long gun. My response to the ATF deals with how that proposal impacts disabled citizens, and will likely be ruled a violation of the ‘Americans with Disabilities Act’, a law with serious teeth in it to force compliance on those that dare to violate it. I’d like to know because I’m not aware of them. ATF is law enforcement stuck with enforcing fundamentally flawed laws. 1) A constitutional rule that requires criminal laws to state explicitly and definitely what conduct is punishable. If the agency weren’t involved with firearms regulation, at least 90% of the people complaining about it’s activities would hardly notice it’s existence. I used a FUDD rifle! For those who like to point to other countries as enlightened examples of what the U.S. should do or consider, allow me to note that we are the only country in the world — despite the vast majority of other “Western” countries having stricter gun control laws — to regulate rifles based on barrel length. I know this is way too much to ask, but why shouldn’t ATF be involved in removing regulation or lobbying to change laws that have been proven useless. In fact, quite the opposite in that ATF has approved braces that specifically and explicitly employ shoulder stock components (e.g. C’mon man. The brace thing is in response to them losing the battle about SS109, they made braces legal so people would make 556 pistols, so they could ban ammo like they did for AK’s. For ATF3 we have found 4 definitions. Does this make it now illegal? Get out of here with your “impractical” “large caliber” noise. Possum, does killing deer in Missouri qualify as the Midwest? It’s high time we use the Leftist playbook against them…. However, what deer rifle/sniper rifle? The ATF noted it had received more than 80,000 comments, and “the vast majority of the comments received to date are critical of the framework, and included issues that deserve further study.”. Some push back=rifle caliber rounds, guns over a certain weight, can’t use a certain accessory too, etc. Leave a comment: …ATF has decided to publish the proposed objective factors in the Federal Register for a brief comment period, given the public interest surrounding these issues. A KaliKey BCG makes it a single shot (bolt action). Not since the Revolutionary War has it been more true: ” We Must Hang Together Or Surely We Shall Hang Separately” Benjamin Franklin It mattered under the Obama administration when, in 2015, ATF gave up on banning M855 ammunition after receiving an overwhelming barrage of public comments against the proposed rule. Everything I said related to type and caliber applies in identical fashion to weight and length. However, circling back to the original purpose of pistol braces — assisting disabled and injured persons in the control of a large format pistol — making assumptions about the physical abilities and, well, “configuration” of such parties is a fool’s errand. Regarding the agencies responsibilities/activities involving Alcohol, Tobacco and Explosives, these seems little problem. Anyone believing that “public comments” on unilaterally made unconstitutional rules cooked up by the commies at BATFEces actually has any impact on their agenda and plans is a SPECIAL kind of stupid. I don’t care for stun grenades going off in my face.” This might be the one time I’d prefer a pistol caliber carbine to a “handgun.”. Again here we go with the one-handed, arms extended garbage. According to this manufacturer, the brace concept was inspired by the needs of disabled combat veterans who still enjoy recreational shooting but could not reliably control heavy pistols without assistance. It has long been understood that the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF) does not respect our Second Amendment rights. I can put my eyeball wherever the heck I darn well please, brace or no brace, touching something to my shoulder or not. LOL, By the way did I happen to mention the 700lb Flathead I caught this spring, probably not, I dont like to brag or stretch stories. You’re kidding, right? Time to step up American! Now just who are the scoff laws. . . I just recognize a 9mm limitations. In 1791, to offset debts from the American Revolution, Congress imposed a tax on distilled It can still be handy in many other, perfectly legal ways. Also, why is this in a document about defining stabilizing braces? The AML/ATF and Sanctions programs are delivered by employees in the Enterprise Anti-Money Laundering (EAML) group, made up of teams of specialists who use analytics, innovative technology and professional expertise to detect and deter ML/TF and manage sanctions compliance. The end goal of every gun control group is to get rid of EVERY gun. To receive your Federal Firearms License (FFL), you must be at least 21 years old. I agree that you listed the ways to avoid falling afoul of the AW ban, but doesn’t a pistol that isn’t on The Roster violate that law? We also know that this isn’t likely to be about compatibility with components that also accept rifle stocks or an implication that pistol stabilizing braces cannot be adjustable for length. You’ve done great work on this and your previous call to action article. We’re right back to rules that apply differently to different people. Nor does it mean the user intended for the brace to function as a stock. Unfortunately We are few and far between. This proposed guidance says that it does not have the effect and force of law . I think the ATF is wading in the waters a bit trying to justify banning large classes of existing guns without the messy business of congressional action. To provide a warning and a suggestion. He has given the ATF carte blanche. While this article will not examine the controversies surrounding that incident, it does offer insight into the tasks performed by the ATF. Convention of states can get rid of this left wing subversive agency! ATF was advised by the first manufacturer to submit an arm brace for classification that the intent of the arm brace was to facilitate one-handed firing of the AR15 pistol for those with limited strength or mobility due to a handicap, and to reduce bruising to the forearm when firing with one hand. The bureau’s agents are dispersed throughout the United States. A lot of young gun owners are going to be very pissed at Republicans. Is ATF in violation of remanufacturing these pistols into SBRs because they were purchased with the clear intent of firing them with two hands? In fact, one doesn’t even have to use or ever intend to use one’s firearm(s). Thompson/Center, which could be chambered in literally any rifle cartridge ever made. Piss people off. Many people don’t realize feedback to any government entity is actually a vote. Consumer fireworks can be used with a variety of tools. Playing a big part in T/C’s win was the rule of strict construction mentioned above. They give you everything you need to beat them in court with their own words…. Send in your letter. Nor is there an objective standard for “large” caliber. Comment, contact the White House, and contact your representatives. Regardless of whether it’s an objective factor or a vague, unconstitutional mess, I don’t recall anything about practicality appearing in the Second Amendment. A bipod does not make a pistol a rifle. In fact, the United States Constitution holds that vagueness in the law is a violation of due process. I’m going to do what I do best. This is an outstanding analysis. But let’s now look at two aspects of federal law. If you put that there brace on your Gun Big Brother is going to storm your home and carry you away like the KKK and Nazi SS did to Blacks and Jews. And there is certainly no coordination between our comments. Please look for them carefully. Then I have to yank the hide off this deer. Determine if you're eligible to get an FFL. 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